Episode 182 : Title Not Found

This is the start of a future two parter, so hold onto your butts! We’ve got a lot of superhero stuff (shocking), and then, if that wasn’t nerdy enough, we follow it up with Trek Wars. Enjoy!


Dear Hatleks, Star Trek or Star Wars? — Sir Guido 

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13 Responses to Episode 182 : Title Not Found

  1. jas says:

    There’s going to be a new episode of Grapevine?! Good, I love that show 🙂

  2. jas says:

    Arrow…Batman…the Shadow…Zorro…Robin Hood. The problem with the foundational heroic trope that all these go back to is that they all go back to chivalry and the propping up of patriarchy (to use an over-used term) by saying the privileged person is the best one to defend the oppressed such that the system which gives the hero his power (and which creates oppression) is not questioned, and to some extent. justified.

    Which doesn’t mean that I always dislike those stories. One reason I like Robin Hood is that though he is supposed to be a nobleman–that nobleman story seems to have been added onto a kind of pagan-anarchic earlier story.

    Some versions of that story are just over-the-top obvious/obnoxious (I think)–Dances with Wolves (for example) or The Last Samurai.

    Batman, in the recent movies, seems like it can go in different directions. The Michael Keaton Batman seems to have a little of that dark hero-guilt vibe that Tony was talking about with Constantine or Harry Dresden and that somehow compensates on the privilege side to me.

    The Dark Knight started off a bit like–ooooo Batman wins because he can afford all the cool toys, unlike the poor dorky everyman guys who attempt to copy him. But the ending with the boats–that showed the criminals capable of morality–that seemed to redeem it to me. The Dark Knight Rises was just awful in this context. It not only said that the privileged guy is the best force to fight oppression, it suggested that all the oppressed, the poor, the colonized, women–are really the source of violence.

    So one thing I like about Arrow (both comic and show) is that it makes some of this inequity central to the storyline.

  3. jas says:

    I love the Felicity Smoak character. Also Sara Lance in season 2. I can’t stand the actress who plays Laurel though.

  4. jas says:

    Paul Blackthorne is British! That’s amazing–what great accent work. Yeah I love him on Arrow too.

  5. jas says:

    I think Dresden’s guilt usually comes across to me more as the guilt of someone whose idea of himself is that he should have saved everybody and feels guilty about the fact that that’s not possible. Constantine’s seems more like real screw-ups (the first thing that happens to his friends based on what he tells them to do, for ex.).

  6. jas says:

    Agreed about recent Dr. Who, actually especially since Moffat. I haven’t seen older ones in a long time, so I’m not sure if they are better plot-wise.

    The most recent one I saw (second one with Capaldi), the doctor actually did something so stupid that it kind of ruined that one for me–’cause it was so out of character.

    I do like Capaldi a lot and I like how they’ve been kind of snarky about the romance elements from the prior doctor.

    • jas says:

      I just saw the third episode of this season – and it actually had a lot to do with things you guys were talking about in this episode. Some interesting stuff going on this season.

  7. jas says:

    Like Will, I saw Star Trek first. And I remember the first episodes I saw–The Menagerie 1 & 2 and Shore Leave–both of which I loved but gave me a kind of warped view of what the whole series was going to be like. I really liked Star Trek–I think ’cause of the spec. fic. elements (but this was when I was a kid so I wouldn’t have known what to call it). I actually had a Sunday School teacher who used Star Trek as a kind RPG for the kids to explore ethical issues. It was my intro. to sci-fi. which I then went to the library and read everything I could find.

    Star Wars I saw in college and I really liked it too, but for completely different reasons (supporting Will’s contention that they’re not really comparable). I liked Star Wars ’cause it was a swashbuckler :)–Pirate movie (Han), plus Robin Hood rebellion.

  8. SirGuido says:

    Pardon me, but I am obliged to take umbrage with Grandmeister Tony.

    Enterprise most assuredly did NOT suck. Enterprise was quite possibly the best version of the series. I say this because it dumped the Federation(which was always my least favorite part of Star Trek) in favor of this fledgling new interstellar race who stumbled their way through their first interactions. It was glorious.

    • themagicaltalkinghat says:

      Hmmm… you make a good point, but I’m afraid your argument cannot stand up to the following points:

      1. Enterprise used a *lot* of time travel.

      2. Star Trek’s version of time travel is, and has always been, the worst thing ever in the universe, ever, anytime, anywhere, ever. WORST!

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